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Were you at the Topeka/Texas game on Sat? Did you watch on Fasthockey.com?
The clip was sent to me by 24 different people in less than 48 hours
What is your take on how that situation was handled by the ref?
Refs are human... regardless of the situation, Curtale and his team need to act in a professional matter.
Lets go ahead and issue handguns to coaches as well and gauge the character flaws of the guys that elect to pull the trigger.
Stephen, how about posting the clip for us all to see?
The issue is fasthockey will tell youtube that the video is protected content...
actually watched this game. figured it was going to be the most interesting this weekend and it didnt disappoint. score was not equivalent to how the game was played. and i cant blame texas coach for getting upset. refs were not that great and made some bad calls towards texas which ended up finishing them. great game though! both squads will be battling for the south! and robertson cup too! well...one of them anyway! <_<
Stephen, any clue on where the robertson cup is being help this year? change in format?
Best kept secret of the year...
I watched it:
thru 59 minutes...9 minors Topeka
9 minors Texas
Topeka 2 for 5 on pp
Texas 2 for 5 on pp
5 on 5 Topeka 3
at 59 min. matching delays...+ 14 min spearing Texas,
Topeka 0 for 1 on pp
at 60 min. game over...Texas 4 X 10 abuse of officials changed to Texas 1 x 10 spearing + 3 x 10 abuse of officials
What i saw and my opinion: shots: Texas
scoring chances: Topeka
4 pp goals were Texas 1st 2 pp goals
Topeka last 2 pp goals and frustration for Texas
We all know the outcome of this. Frankenfeld will do nothing...again.
Well, let's see what USA Hockey has to say about that. Will be calling Scott Brand in the morning.
...Stephen, I have a different take on it...after what i see overall is: the officiating does a good job of it, and time in the box, game ejections and game suspensions that come with what the penalty is, is just that...and when the league (leagues) is sent film for review, they do a good job of upholding or reversing a suspension...
...and that comes from watching Juniors for the 5th year now with around 300 games live or "pay per view"...and watching 10 years of youth AAA on back to before there was Mite IP...going up through USAH level 3 coaching...and being suspended twice and fined $50 each in adult "ankle bender" leagues (how pathetic is that!)
...on that note, no, my mind (whats left of it) is more concerned about what happens in the stands during some Junior games...(must say no view or knowledge during said Topeka vs Texas game)
...USAH has done a great job and continues education (although it took a tragedy in the early 2000s to get it in full swing) at the youth levels...
...but that education can't be carried over to a slimeball that buys a ticket (instead of "tweaking") for a game...
...i myself, have no problem with even extremely fanatic fans...but the "line" is crossed with hanging on and over the glass, spitting on the glass and calling teenage Hockey players every totally vile name in the book with drooling mouths pressed in between the sections...
...security, ushers, or whoever...you may not be interested in the game but do whats right...your presence after the game is there, how about making it during the game and do something about the above when you see it...
...and visiting and home Hockey fans, if you cant find security, try at the food courts or around the doors...
...leave it on the ice, the players do
It will be interesting to see if Franky hands out suspensions for this mess. He has been handing suspensions out like Halloween candy in the NA3, many of which have been ridiculous. Kid got a 6 game rip for an obscene gesture. Another 6 gamer handed out to a player for intent to injure, where the alleged injured player lined up for the next face off. I get it, different leagues, but the same Joker in charge.
If he doesn't suspend the Texas people, he has lost all credibility and will open the door for the NA3 to question his decision making.
Are the suspensions in the NA3HL made public?
Frankenfeld has a history of turning a blind eye to anything remotely related to his pal Curtale. But if he has been hard on the NA3HL, he needs to maintain the same standards at the NAHL.
unless down right "in there", using both seeing and hearing senses, can't comment on any penalty (or "non" penalty)
...will say that generaly (from what ive seen) the suspensions for fighting have eased back...at the Showcase and into week 2, i saw some instigator with ejection and game suspensions given throughout just about automaticly...looks like now, all fights still broken up (now what do you all think?) helmets on (now what do you all think?) and 5 minute matchings...
...as far as abuse of official penalties on Coaches goes, 100s could be given out each week coast to coast in all leagues of all ages if given "automaticly"...so its so up to the training, tolerence and discretion of the official and their communication with the leagues...
...they are down "right in there"
You guys got me laughing.
Stephen, did Curtale brake your skate board or something. I've heard of carrying a grudge, but ......wow.
I stopped trying to decypher Poulsen's gibberish some time ago, but I imagine he's about as biased as Candy Crowley at a presidential debate. Let me be the first to offer five bucks towards a writing class.
It sounds like Mr. Hughes actually watched the game.
Did no one else watch the referees allow the Topeka team to remain on the ice while the Texas team tried to give their salute to their fans? None of us have first hand knowledge of what was said, but you can bet it was colorful. It seems to me that had the refs moved Topeka off the ice, this whole mess could have been avoided. I won't defend Curtale for what happened after the refs screwed the pooch, but first blame needs to be placed on the refs shoulders. Human or not, they were wrong.
I don't see any Abuse of Officials penalties for the RoadRunners.
Where's the grudge? Just saying the obvious. Curtale could have the most "Abuse of Officials" penalties in the history of the game.
Heck, that could be a good story right there. I wonder if USA Hockey keeps a record of that?
.Bill.."gibberish"...good one...i can take it, LOL!...and writing and spelling...i know, i know!...
...but anyway, thats what i said or meant (i think) (im laughing and smiling)...and Fast Hockey, at least on my end, didnt show the detail at the end that you saw if you were there...
...no opinion on fighting "rules" out there?
...cmon Doug...are you out there?...come back!
Where's the grudge???? Come on man, you totally ignored the "obvious" fact that there was a two way skirmish at the entrance to the tunnel. I paid attention to your athletic pedigee and obviously you know that there are rarely innocent participants in scenes like we saw on Saturday. You cannot logically make that ruling based on that video unless you bring baggage to the argument. Smells like a grudge.
Grudge? No. I wish Tony would remain on his best behavior. Heck, we featured his change of attitude not too long ago.
The guys that had the absolute best knowledge of what was taking place are the same guys that issued the three Abuse of Official penalties.
The score sheet clearly displayed what the officials were first hand witnesses to.
The question is this... will the game officials be punished for the incident or will Tony?
My money is on the officials getting punished and that is seriously screwed up.
Tony has an excuse for all of his antics and there is always somebody else to blame.
So tell me Bill... would you feel safe if Tony had a loaded gun in his hand while your son was playing for an opposing team? Based on his history of not having the ability to control his temper, there is no way in hell my kid is going anywhere near him.
posted Oct. 17th, 2012 - 10:56pm
Drew Kay says:
If you watched the game you clearly saw a spearing penalty near the 18:40 mark of the period. The call was not made by the referee but actually by a linesman after a Tornado player targeted a RoadRunner player in the "sensitive location" of the mid-section. I would say the referees did their job on that part. If you watch the clip closely, luckily a linesman was able to close the bench door before all 20 Tornado players raced down the tunnel to break up the RoadRunners win song. That really could have gotten out of hand. Not to mention the countless spears thrown from Tornado players from the ice leaning into the tunnel. Tornado hockey at its finest, THEY'RE BACK!
I dont mean to take sides with the defense of the Tornado on this one, but it didn't seem right to me that Topeka showed no class not allowing the tornado to salute their fans after the game. Tempers were high.. something was going to breakout but seriously.. nothing even came from this game! no one was hurt, the tornado didnt jump anyone..they were yelling, screaming and waving sticks in the air. No one slashed anyones face off. Its the game of hockey! haha. Maybe a game suspension, maybe two just to give a fair warning that it isnt right but in the end, its just a good rivalry and we all live for this stuff! i love the south!!
No doubt..Tornado-Runners-Bulls games are certainly must-see's this year.
It is funny that the coach that leads the free world in Abuse of Officials penalties can't understand just why he does not get some calls. Does Curtale think that these guys don't talk to each other? Heck, I would not be surprised if there was a pre-game cheer in the officials locker room that goes something like this, on three "**** Tony Curtale!"
Yep, He's Back
Ok Stephen, no grudge. I do think the gun scenario is a little over the top.
Maybe, but you get the point. If a guy can't control his temper, he can't control his temper. If he pulled the trigger or just cusses out a referee, the character issue is the same.
Well Texas , Topeka and Amarillo all play what i called big boy hockey.When these three teams play each other things get amped up several notches.If Topeka is doing their victory cheer that close to the ice in the other teams rink after a hard fought game that isn't smart. When Texas beat Corpus in Corpus they did their cheer too... in their locker room.Now we in Corpus have had the pleasure of this ref a few times and , let me put it this way , he is still finding his way.I have seen Curtale and Texas several times now and except "that" game they haven't been bad .Heck Bloomingburg was the animated guy when they were here.As for suspensions for chirping officials I don't think so unless there is a threat like pulling a gun...geez.
I am trying to confirm the rumor of an extended Curtale vacation that was handed down by the league yesterday.
No Stephen, the character issue is not the same. Calling a ref a ****ing ******* is lightyears from anything involving a gun.
The crime is different but the character flaw is the same. Doing either shows a serious loss of the control of emotions, extreme disregard for others, and an overvalued opinion of self worth.
Just asking a question here.There are what 64 regular season games.It kinda sounds like to hear you tell it Curtale lifts off every game.How many games out of 64 does Curtale "loses it"? And what were the circumstances? Personally I like a coach that is passionate and sticks up for his team.True , coaches like this are always close to crossing the line and should be reigned in when they do.I have learned when misconducts are handed out at the end of the game like this the person who has the biggest imput if a player or coach should be suspended rests with what the ref and his crew say about it.I say that because we used to have a coach here that I wondered why he wasn't suspended or tossed sometimes.A lot of weight is put into the refs report of the incident.Just sayin.
Geez Stephen, the more you carry on about Curtale the more it makes me think there is more to it. He stole your marbles? Girlfriend?
Look, there was a two sided skirmish after a heated athletic battle. The ref, as has been identified by others in this thread, did a less than stellar job calling the game which lead to some bad blood. This was game two of a two game set. Add a to it, the first loss for Texas and you have the recipe for something bad. Now unless Curtale called the guy an obama supporter or, God forbid, a democrat, I guaruntee the ref has heard it all before. THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL CASE.
I am new to junior hockey and fairly new to hockey as a whole, but come on, I've seen worse at a Pop Warner football game. To condemn Curtale as an evil doer and of questionable character over this and his past transgressions, unless they involve bank robbery, seems a little over the top.
You are certainly welcome to your opinion.
He took you lunch money, right?
Not biting Bill, you getting just a "nibble:...im busy rereading Stewart Smalleys "Lies And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them"
It appears that TC is going to be in the penalty box for an extended period of time...
sounds like 1 game
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