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tier 3 power rankings
By: GregG136
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:28 am
can some one help "rate" the tier 3 leagues in america? there are a lot with lots of different feedback. the top ej teams seem to be the best. but are teams such as idaho in the wshl on a similar level? ej, aj, wshl, norpac, awhl, mwjhl, ejsouth, empire, met (excuse me if im missing any) someone please give me a power rankings

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By: Stephen Heisler   * Administrator
Jan 17, 2013 - 06:43 am
Greg,
Please re-register with a real name.

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Stephen


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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:18 am
http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2012&a=2&v=1803

Probably doesn't include non-USA Hockey teams.

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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:00 pm
Idaho and Dallas Ice Jets are both in the WSHL but could easily be in the NAHL with their current teams, maybe El Paso too but I haven't seen them play personally. Norpac is nowhere near the same level of the WSHL and this season should probably be a junior B league because they don't have enough players and there teams are not competitive. There are some great players in the WSHL who were overlooked by the NAHL draft because of AAU/USA HOckey politics.

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Re: tier 3 power rankings
By: Stephen Heisler   * Administrator
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:47 pm
Lori,
I like ya, but put the glass down, it's only 10:30AM on the left coast.

John Olver (Idaho) and Paul Taylor (Ice Jets) would quickly tell you that there is no comparison between the WSHL and NAHL. Odessa, as bad as they are, would beat either team by 4+ goals. If John and Paul were able to pick any 25 guys from the WSHL to play a full season in the NAHL, they would win less than 4 games and maybe not a single one.


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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:01 pm
Are you kidding me? Stefan Brucato would run/skate circles around those kids. I have NO idea why he is even on a WSHL team, but he is. Idaho would beat Odessa, sorry. And I had coffee :-)

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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:39 pm
The Top third teams in WSHL would compete well with the bottom third teams in NAHL..just like any other league. Just like Atlanta and Hampton Roads competed well with EJ teams filled with D1 guys last year...there are a myriad of reasons players play in one league versus another...hence my questioning of quality scouting recently. The Brucato/Gabaj Idaho pairing is as good as just about any pairing in NAHL. Trust me...any NAHL team should be frothing at the mouth with this duo. With 100 plus euros..the WSHL is flying under the radar. I spent 4 days in Vegas with College coaches who have primarily scouted the east coast and the overwheming discussion was how impressed they were with the overall quality of players in the league they were unaware of because of the geographic problem with the league to many east coast colleges.

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By: Stephen Heisler   * Administrator
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:51 pm
Bob,
Sorry buddy, as much as I like the WSHL, and John would be the first to tell you, it would not be close between his Steelies and the Jackalopes. There is a huge gap between pay-to-play and free-to-play junior hockey.

I've been trying to move Brucato all year and one thing always gets brought up... he is a bag of milk on skates.


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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 18, 2013 - 09:36 am
Quality varies within leagues as well. Here in the Midwest, the NA3HL has strong teams/players in the West Division with the Minnesota teams and North Iowa, add to that St. Louis and maybe Cleveland from the other divisions, then there's a pretty significant drop off to the next tier of teams in the league. Same in the MnJHL, top three teams in the Minnesota Division are strong, then a big drop off within their division and the Great Lakes Division. The results when they get together for league showcases show the disparity.

They couldn't compete with NAHL teams, but each of the top teams has a few players that either have played some in the NA or can and do make the jump to NA teams and hold their own.

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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 18, 2013 - 01:24 pm
Oh Stephen, this time you are wrong. Go look at Filip Martinec of the Wichita team...the worst team in the WSHL and the kid is amazing. You are so very wrong this time.

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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 18, 2013 - 03:38 pm
Sorry Stephen - you are wrong this time. I have spent much of this season and last season watching NA games and WSHL - including the Vegas showcase. There is a good number of players that for whatever reason - under the radar - unheralded - geography - could be competing very well in the NA. See a few WSHL games - live. Then you'll get a sense for the speed - size and skill some of the W boys have.

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Re: tier 3 power rankings
By: Stephen Heisler   * Administrator
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:19 pm
Michael & Lori,
Please don't take this the wrong way, it's not meant to be a dis on the WSHL.

I talk to the bulk of the WSHL coaches and owners, I've seen the WSHL showcase, and I know the level of play in both the WSHL and NAHL.

Poll 75% of the coaches in the WSHL, they will tell you the same thing I am telling you. It's not even close.

The Fresno Monsters NAHL team would beat their WSHL team by ten-goals or more...ask Brice, he would be the first to tell you. Fresno is ranked #21 in the NAHL.


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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 18, 2013 - 04:21 pm
I don't think anyone disputes there are individual players in the various Tier III leagues that fall though the cracks and could, and in some cases should, be playing in the NA. The scouting and tryout system leaves a lot to be desired. But to say non-EJHL Tier III teams would be competitive as-is with NA teams isn't reality. The top line of better teams could probably hang in there, but lack of quality depth would kill them.

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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 19, 2013 - 05:55 pm
I agree about the WSHL Monsters, but I can tell you Idaho would not be beaten easily (if at all) by an NAHL team. The bigger question again I have over and over is why are Brucato and Gabaj still playing Tier III??? I wish the WSHL had an allstar showcase to give the great players a chance to be seen off of their sometimes less-than-great teams.

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Re: tier 3 power rankings
By: Stephen Heisler   * Administrator
Jan 19, 2013 - 06:26 pm
The fact is that Brucato has been to an NA camp and did not stick out. I've had NA coaches call the team this year... and each time, for one reason or another, the opportunity to move up was not taken or offered.


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Re: tier 3 power rankings
Jan 20, 2013 - 10:11 pm
Yeah I can see why someone would prefer to pay to play over playing for free and get a D1 commit...(Said with sarcasm)

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