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Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 6, 2012 - 01:25 am
Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago

The North American Hockey League was the last to discover that Chicago Hitmen owner Mark Hammersmith was about to embarrass the league again last week. Hammersmith thought he had it all figured out. His plan was to seek arbitration with ...
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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 6, 2012 - 01:25 am
This is just a bad situation. The NAHL is hurting themselves through their policy of non-involvement. The league needs to re-evaluate its policies and their standards for franchise ownership. I hope that all of the players involved will come out of this okay and that they will be reimbursed.

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 6, 2012 - 09:21 am
How many teams really are capable programs that can break even or profit in the Tier II division? There might be enough for a 6 team Tier II league. Franchise fee's? They are all a joke. The US is and will be pay to play juniors with the exception of the Tier I and the 6 team tier II teams capable of breaking even or better. When we all realize this the start of repairing and stablizing junior hockey will begin. We need to blow up everything below tier I and start from scratch. Good luck with that!

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 6, 2012 - 09:36 am
Jeff,
The magical number is 1,000 fans a game...

http://nahl.stats.pointstreak.com/attendance.html?le

Now, which teams outside of he South Division are really doing that.

FRESNO-- CUT LIST
WENATCHEE-- CUT LIST

Fairbanks
Aberdeen
Bismarck
Austin

These other teams fall below the line, but I feel are still viable at Tier II

Minot
Kenai River
Pt Huron

Now, this could be a nice 13-14 team league.


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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 6, 2012 - 11:39 am
Stephen, for the sake af asking, what number are you using for a budget for a NA team? What are you charging for admission? Why would you think 1000 per would work?

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 6, 2012 - 11:42 am
P.S. Most of these numbers include free give aways and promo numbers. Also most teams inflate these numbers as well. I'll stick to the 6 team lge, because that's all you have that are breaking even.

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
By: stephen heisler   * Administrator
Feb 6, 2012 - 11:55 am
I may be a little too close to the fire... but Kenai River is operating in the black this, and Fairbanks needs them.

Pt Huron is happy, and will continue with the present numbers.

Minot is doing very well in the community, and should be ok.


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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 6, 2012 - 02:13 pm
USA Hockey guidelines set the minimum operating budget for Tier II teams at $250,000 a year. With an average of 1000 people a game times 28 games a year you are pulling in 28,000 fans a year (bare minimum). Average ticket price for the teams that are hitting the 1000 fans a game average is $10. $10 x 28,000=$280,000 a year just off of ticket sales.

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 6, 2012 - 04:18 pm
I'm not sure there's a tier II team able to work with a 250,000.00 budget. Also, getting 1000 in paid attendence per game, I'm not sure thats happening very often.

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 8, 2012 - 11:03 am
Ticket sales is one facet of the operations. Other key parts include product sales, advertising,promotional sponsor nights and trade-offs that help cover some expenses.
If the typical NAHL teams relied on tickey sales only it would be a very small league indeed. NEVER, NEVER believe published attendence figures( few rare exceptions) they are a joke.

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 9, 2012 - 12:20 pm
I think you might want to triple that $250,000 budget figure. A few of the better run teams do.

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
By: stephen heisler   * Administrator
Feb 9, 2012 - 01:20 pm
Fairbanks is somewhere north of $1M


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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 9, 2012 - 10:15 pm
Mike, the $250,000 is just the baseline that USA Hockey has established. I was using it to justify Heisler's math with the 1000 fan estimate.

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Re: Daily Dish: Frankenfeld, NAHL Bailout Chicago
Feb 10, 2012 - 12:11 am
Looks like the chains could put the doors in Chicago before tonight's game against Coulee Region.

We are also hearing that the NA3HL series in St Louis is also in jepordy.


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