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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 11:54 am
Fact of the matter is Stephen is why would Schenn do something so stupid in a 6-3 game (at the time)? Because Crosby was throwing cheap shots. Look at the context. See just that hit then it looks like schenn is a thug. Schenn is a talented player. not a shelley, talbot, etc.

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 12:05 pm
Steve, to call Craig Berube stupid would be like me
calling Donald Trump that. Craig Berube was coached
by many of great coaches in his time and there is a
reason why he played over a thousand games in the NHL.
It is quite evident he played his role well or there
is no way he would have stayed in the NHL. It is pretty
hard to change his way of thinking in this new game of
hockey 102 (speed, skill, and less guts). The old game
of hockey 101 (was played with average speed, skill and
respect) Respect is a powerful word-It isn't automatically
obtained it is earned! There is a whole new breed of hockey
players on the way up! Many of these future kids feel that
they are entitled to be on the power play, kill penalties,
and wear letters (captains, etc.) Well there is still some
of us older guys who think there things are earned. But most
of all respect is earned not an entitlement. You can't have
it both ways-disrespecting other players and thinking you are
going to get respect. In all fairness to Crosby, he is one
of the most intense players on the ice. He has chosed to play
that way and he should expect the intense level back. The
concussion issues that he had should probably have changed his style. Craig Berube on the other hand, probably had more
concussions than Crosby would have ever had but just didn't
know it because of the technology then. Sydney could change his style and remanin in the NHL for a longtime. However, Craig Berube would have never had that chance. To call him stupid,I say he was as dumb as a fox! If he didn't do what was required he would be working in a mill or farm up in Calahoo,Alberta right now. Craig Berube is not stupid. He is just a coach who feels that you earn respect through your actions not from entitlement. Unfortunately, some players coming out of Minor Hockey and Juniors are already on the
entitlement wagon and when they hit a higher level they will
find out for themselves. I don't condone what happened the
other night but I understand it. "RESPECT BREEDS RESPECT"

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 12:09 pm
You can't have special rules for superstars written or unwritten. If we do then this game we love will become a joke. A player reaps what he sows. Crosby pushed him from behind then flopped to the ice when shenn did the same to him.
Why don't we just put a skirt in Crosby and just tell every other player they can't touch him.


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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 12:26 pm
Jack, "Hockey will never become manestream in the US? You gotta be kidding Jeff!!! More Teams, More Leagues, More kids playing than ever before!!!" Enrollment for hockey is on a down swing, young kids are NOT playing hockey like they used to just 2-3 years ago. Not an opinion, this is a fact. I'm not sure anywhere in the US can claim to a jump in the initiation program or mite divisions. It's ok to love the game, but let's face it. It's a riding in the back behind, football, baseball, soccer & even basketball. It's a regional sport at best.

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 01:00 pm
Jeff is right. There is no more "big four" sports anymore. NFL, MLB, and NBA are the "big three" now. Hockey is too expensive to play for mainstream. As far as fans go, I think there are way more rules to know for a fan to be considered a "knowledgeable" fan of hockey in comparison to becoming an "knowledgeable" football, baseball, or basketball fan. Personally, I like the fact it's not mainstream. The coverage of NFL (Brett Favre and Tebow for example) on ESPN makes we want to puke.

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
By: Stephen Heisler   * Administrator
Apr 5, 2012 - 01:49 pm
Cody,
The issue here is this...when NHL dirty laundry hits mainstream media we have a problem. Like him, love him, or hate him, the world outside of hockey knows Sidney Crosby's name. When the video shows him getting hit from behind, and hears Berube yapping like a donkey, it has an negative impact on the game.

Ast Coaches should never talk to the media...ever. Nothing good can come from it, and I am media.

The voice of the coaching staff has to be the head coach and I am sure that Berube NOW fully understands that. No head coach wants to have to cash the checks for an assistant coach's big mouth.

Again, it all comes down to the mentality. Berube coaches like he played, and that crap does not work anymore. Now we see that his mouth has also become a problem and I am sad to say that it will cause him even more in the near future.


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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 02:07 pm
Stephen, anything you or I say is nothing but an opinion. Berube is an asset to his head coach & team. For you or anyone else to indicate that you know his comments will hurt him more in the future is pure speculation. The media is part of the big problem here. Most of the media don't report the all the news, but what news sells or attracts readers. We're making mountains of molehills here. Berube pulls no punches as a coach, coaching just like during his playing days. Fearless! Unlike most of us, he's earned the right to make these types of comments. We write and talk about people like Berube, he's already lived it from a player’s standpoint and doing it now as a coach in the best hockey league in the world. Not to shabby!

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 02:11 pm
Stephen, anything you or I say is nothing but an opinion. Berube is an asset to his head coach & team. For you or anyone else to indicate that you know his comments will hurt him more in the future is pure speculation. The media is part of the big problem here. Most of the media don't report the all the news, but what news sells or attracts readers. We're making mountains of molehills here. Berube pulls no punches as a coach, coaching just like during his playing days. Fearless! Unlike most of us, he's earned the right to make these types of comments. We write and talk about people like Berube, he's already lived it from a player’s standpoint and doing it now as a coach in the best hockey league in the world. Not to shabby!

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
By: Stephen Heisler   * Administrator
Apr 5, 2012 - 02:21 pm
Jeff,
Not too shabby and not too smart. It all goes back to the common myth of invincibility, there is now a lot less career opportunities as a consequence for his action.

He may have "earned" the right to shoot his mouth, but now he is paying the price.

Media is going to report the "good stuff" because that is what they do.

The difference between your opinion and mine is the fact that I am doing this for a living and have the sense to understand the consequences for my own actions. I can come on here tonite and declare that a certain NHL player has 6 boyfriends and one night of rest. Sure it would drive a ton of short term traffic but in the end I lose credibility.

Berube mouth just cost him years of credibility. For the next few months, and maybe even years, he is not going to be remembered for what he did on the ice, but for what he said about Crosby. That is one hell of a price to pay for a moment of stupidity.


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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 02:25 pm
Stephen, anything you or I say is nothing but an opinion. Berube is an asset to his head coach & team. For you or anyone else to indicate that you know his comments will hurt him more in the future is pure speculation. The media is part of the big problem here. Most of the media don't report the all the news, but what news sells or attracts readers. We're making mountains of molehills here. Berube pulls no punches as a coach, coaching just like during his playing days. Fearless! Unlike most of us, he's earned the right to make these types of comments. We write and talk about people like Berube, he's already lived it from a player’s standpoint and doing it now as a coach in the best hockey league in the world. Not to shabby!

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 02:35 pm
Where have you read or seen anything indicating that he's paying any kind of price for his comments? Like I said, all we do is have opinions and speculate in incidents like these.

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 04:08 pm
Geez guys this is the Flyers and Penguins. This is big boy hockey.What I saw the Penguins doing is no different than the Flyers do.There are big boy hockey teams in the league and these are two of them.This is the stuff that makes hockey different from the ball sports. Business is taken care of on the ice.Whiners draw extra attention.Payback is hell.Those that don't like that aspect of the game should stick to football.I hope it never happens that , to borrow a Milbery term , pansification of the league results from this.

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 5, 2012 - 11:37 pm
How about this one Stephen is this not dirty and stupid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf8hutvso_g
The Penguins are the biggest whiners in the league and the biggest offenders in dirty plays.

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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
By: Stephen Heisler   * Administrator
Apr 6, 2012 - 12:17 am
I think you guys are missing the point, the stupidity was Berube's comments.

Tyler, you can't say that the knee-to-knee contact was intentional.


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Re: Daily Dish: Definition of Stupidity
Apr 6, 2012 - 12:52 pm
Stephen,
I think you are spot on with your analysis of Berube. I was just offering that I cannot see hockey ever being constantly in the mainstream. The only time it does get into the mainstream is when the story is negative. It's unfortunate because for every negative story that makes mainstream media, there are thousands of feel good success stories. It's kind of like being in education (I'm a teacher). The only time we make the news is when it's a scandal, but you hardly ever get to hear even one of the thousands of success stories everyday of teachers preparing their students for successful careers. Thank you for the response, Stephen.

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